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Karen Villumsdatter (Forbus) |
Slægtskab | med Poul Steen
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Slægt | Steen-Barfod-Raffenberg-Nielsen-Tang-Giersing, Pouls aner |
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- Skotsk adel?
Nedenstående er modtaget fra Bjørn Skinnerup:
Skifte 25.2.1572 (Helsingør tingbog). Våbenkongen i Skotland Robert Formann udstedte 3.6.1561 i Edingburgh erklæring på anmodning af hæderlig og velbyrdig Mester Duncan Forbes , Monymusk om, at "salig Villomb Forbes, borger i Helsingborgs datter Carina var fribaaren og af det hæderlige hus Petzlego, der i blåt skjold førte en rød rode omsat med 3 sølv-bjørnehoveder og på hjelmen en halv vildmand med kølle i de korslagte arme" (Genealogisk-heraldisk Selskabs papi rer: Speciale - adelige slægter, fol.nr..18, som findes i Rigsarkivet, - måske.
I Scotland kendes dette dokument:
The document that you mention is quite well known as it is shown as an illustration in Sir Thomas Innes of Learney's "Scots Heraldry". Below is a transcription of it in the original Scots.
Testimonial of Arms of Katherine Forbes in Elsinore 1561
To all and sindry quhome it afferis to quhayis knawlege thir presentis sall cum greting in God euirlasting We Schir Robert Forman of Lathie knycht Lyoune King of Armes in the realme of Scotland hawand consideratioun of the requeist maid to ws be ane honourable gentilman Maister Doncane Forbes of Monymusk in the name of Katerine Forbes dochter to vmquhyle Williame Forbes induellar in the town of Elchinuwir within the realme of Denmark Schawand that the said vmquhile Williame fader to the said Katerine ves gentilman borne and discendit lynalie of the honourable houses of Petslego bot quhat armes sche aucht and suld beir sche is vncertane Thairfour hes requirit ws to assigne to hir the saidis armes mettill and cullour thairof as appertenis ws of our office to do We hawand consideratioun that thar is sindry gentill men landit beand of that surname of Forbes within this realme berand armes with differens aither fra vthir Oure attentik Registaris bukis of Armes beand sersit and ryp lie auisit with be ws findis the said vmquhile Williame fader to the said Katerine lenalie discendit of the said honourable howss of Petslego and sche aucht and suld beir the armes of the samyn in all tymes cuming as fallowis Azur thre beirhedis siluir mussalit sable with ane freis of the heidis in the middis as is heir vnder depaintit without reproche of ony persoune quhilk we tak vpone ws be this our testimonial subscriuit with our hand our sele of office is hingin heirto At Edinburght the third day of Junij the yeir of God jm, vc, thre scoir and ane yeir
The document shows that William Forbes was descended from the Forbes of Pitsligo in Aberdeenshire in which case, given the dates, William Forbes in Helsingor must have been a descendant of one of :
Sir William Forbes of Kinaldie & Pitsligo d 1445/6
Alexander Forbes of Pitsligo d 1477
William Forbes, younger of Pitsligo d 1470
Alexander Forbes of Pitsligo d 1496
I do not have details of the minor branches of the Forbes of Pitsligo. I would suggest attempting to get access to "The House of Forbes" by A&H Tayler.
James Dempster
Bjørn Skinnerup
ba@skinnerup.eu
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- [S64] Dansk Biografisk Leksikon 2. udg. 1933-42, XX 156.
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, d. 27 mar. 1607, Odense